okay… two things here
1… i’m classified as white, (even though i can actually prove I have colored blood in my heritage, because i am an Afrikaans South African and our history is about dubious as any out there.) so does this post include me? because i really wish it would include only the white people who remain ignorant and are not trying to fix the mistakes made by white ancestry.
2… i hate my white ancestry about as much as the average POC (my entire life has been one of limitations caused by apartheid, even though I had nothing to do with it), but hatred is what caused the problem in the first place isn’t it? I’ve been trying to think of a way to create a distinction between me and them, but every time i think i’ve got it, it sounds like an apologetic reply to POC issues, which is the very last thing I want.
This post has left me feeling a little lost…
If you feel threatened or concerned by this, this defacto includes you. I totally understand where OP is coming from because, I too am fed up with giving white people the benefit of the doubt, just to come to the realization that 99.9% of them are either unaware of their privilege or denying it and ultimately upholding white supremacy. This hurts me and alienates me from myself. Because of this many PoC come to doubt their worth as complete and complex human beings. This here is worth more than any white person feeling guilty or bad about white supremacy or any generalisation that PoC have to make about whiteness to protect themselves. I don’t even need to get into the countless lives lost and destroyed because of white supremacy. For my sanity, I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT EVERY SINGLE WHITE PERSON IS A RACIST UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.
Also simple ‘hatred’ didn’t start all of this. White people, specifically from western Europe, did. They started all of this, and it didn’t stop at them, white people are upholding white supremacy as I am typing this. I am right at this moment being oppressed by white supremacy and I shouldn’t have to owe people, I have to PROVE MY HUMANITY to, any benefit of the doubt.
As for trying to make a distinction between you and ‘them’, well I can’t help you because I am not white.
every single one of your points is valid, justified and pertinent.
I am not threatened by this post, i am simply lost. because it seems that no matter how much i prove i am not a racist, the simple fact that i have white skin makes me part of the hated de facto group. and i have to reprove myself to every PoC I ever encounter. and this while i only LOOK white, I am NOT WHITE!!! i have no privilege to go with my skin colour, i have no advantages, i have none of those things that make white people so hated, and that i myself hate about white people.
where exactly do i fit in this anti-white world that i find myself supporting? and how do i go about making sure that ALL people understand i am not the enemy?
“white people so hated”
“part of the hated de facto group”
“this anti-white world”
I read this and had to take a break because it was too much !!
WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT HATED BY ANYONE ON THIS PLANET!! White people are adored, revered and admired because through white supremacy they manage to convince the world that they are the most beautiful, intelligent, ‘civilised’, ‘advanced’, cultured blabla blah …. people on earth!!! The whole planet aspire to western culture, millions are ready to die just to look like white people!! White history IS history!! Western civilization IS civilization!! Capitalism is THE economic system!! White is the way to be and to go because it is always right!! A white supremacist world can NOT be ‘anti-white’!!
To hint, even lightly, that the RIGHTFUL resentment that a oppressed group has against their oppressor can be compared , in any way, to hatred IS validating that oppression. It implies that my pain and my claim to be treated as a human being are dangerous and would have adverse effect on whiteness, since this is the only things that matter within whiteness. This is why racist white fucks are always the ones asking us ‘Do you hate white people?’ just because we claim our right to re-appropriate our humanity and denounce the abuse they put us through. They consciously or unconsciously believe that we owe them devotion since this is the way of the white supremacist world we live in today, dedicated to the adoration of anything white.
Hatred is not PoC trying to protect themselves from whiteness. Hatred is not PoC ranting to unload all the BS they have to go through within white supremacy. Hatred is not denouncing the savagery and barbarism at the core of whiteness. Hatred is not demanding your human rights. Hatred is not making white people feeling bad about all the disgustingly monstrous they do and/or benefit from. I don’t give a fuck about white people feelings.
Hatred is western powers killing more than a million of Afghans and Iraqis because about 3000 people were killed on American soils by a furious fanatic who used to be supported and armed by the USA. Hatred is French people pouring napalm on my village less than 50 years ago and decapitating any independentist, among whom my grandfather. Hatred is the USA wrecking havoc in Latin America and supporting Pinoche in the 70’s. Hatred is Leopold II of Belgium committing the most repulsive atrocities in the Congo. Hatred is the USA, France and Belgium, plotting to assassinate Lumumba to place Mobutu, a psychopath, as a dictator. Hatred is western nations subsiding their agriculture then punishing developing countries fro protecting their markets which lead to staggering poverty and dependence. Hatred is the hundreds of thousands black men currently incarcerated by the new Jim Crow, the prison industrial complex. Hatred is Trayvon Martin being victimised even after his murder. Hatred is white people stealing and colonizing America. Hatred is pregant black women punched in the belly by white police officers. Hatred is having dictators in Africa, crushing the people and supported by the west.
Hatred is acting as if we are being hateful or “anti-white” for complaining about being victim of whiteness which is essentially the hatred of anything non-white!!
I just had to get this out of me because this is one of the many ways in which white people shut down discussions about racism and make it about their feelings, about ‘being hated’ about themselves once again!
As for you being white, you did state that you are “classified as white… because [you are] an Afrikaan South African” You can ID as you want but you do have whiteness in you and it clearly shows. You do have a lot of privileges due to your skin color. If it is indeed you in your profile picture, you have all the privilege that come with being considered white. This thread is just brilliant because you are actually proving why many PoC are reluctant about giving white people the benefit of the doubt i.e. you are flat out denying the enormous privileges and advantages that come with your skin color.
“it seems that no matter how much i prove i am not a racist” PoC do not owe you to see you as a non-racist!! Your perceptives on race and racism, as shown in this post, are extremely euro-centric and put the focus on white people guilt and white people at the receiving end of hatred. Have you ever ask yourself why PoC would assume that you are racist?? Have you never wonder if they had good and valid reasons to do so?? Have you ever contemplated the idea that you having to ‘prove that you are not a racist’ will never equal them having to prove that they are just as intelligent, beautiful, complex, multi-dimensional and human as you??
I am fed up with whiteness always being the centre of the world. I don’t give a fuck about white people feelings. The only thing that matters is PoC trying to survive within white hate.
this is absolutely ridiculous
it’s almost like you didn’t even read my response at all.
what do you know about south africa? what do you know about the history of the oppressed in south africa? what do you know about how PoC in South Africa have moved on since apartheid. Judging by your response to my response… nothing…. nothing at all. In the United States, You are a minority, and You are the oppressed. In South Africa, I am the minority, I cannot get a job, because my skin is the wrong colour. I cannot be part of certain Political factions, because of my skin colour, I cannot live in certain areas, because of my skin colour. but it’s impossible for me to be the oppressed? This is called Hypocricy! You are defending Racism! while pretending to fight it!
what do you know about me? apparently, nothing, except for looking at a profile picture, chosen because i enjoyed the fact that it makes me look happy. What you have chosen to see, is a racist white pig who is happy all the time living in white-superior-ignorance. Never mind that I have lived among PoC my entire life. That i speak several African Languages. That I identify with PoC on a social level and that I only have PoC as friends. That I stand up against racism, no matter what the results to me personally, because i have lived with it’s effects my whole life and i understand exactly how dangerous racism can be. that i have been ostracized by members of my own family for standing up against their racism. that i know more about the history of racism, both internationally and here at home, than you are likely to ever know. this is not about “white people feelings” this is about a direct assault on someone who is of a different skin colour to you.
My identity document states I am caucasian. This was not my choice. If it had been my choice, I would have asked that I be labelled as a person, fuck the colours, but that’s not good enough for you, because you see the colour of my skin, not the colour of my mind or my heart. you don’t look past my skin, you cant look past my skin, and you judge me by my skin
the moment you judge someone by the colour of their skin. YOU ARE A RACIST.
every single accusation you have made against me here, applies to you 100%. it’s such a shame that you are blinded by your own situation. Oh and by the way, as an American, you have a million times the privilege of the African’s you supposedly identify with. time to check your own privilege i think.